Roman Catholics have the "obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer"

So says The Vatican.

What's this? An order from upon high for Roman Catholics to believe Science? Did you hear that Mrs Proctor?

Earlier this year she stated, "Just like with evolution, people of faith TEND to be inclined to disbelieve it and dismiss the 'science' that is used as evidence (although it's a theory)." And then in February she said, "I believe in the creationism movement and frankly think all Christians should unless science can PROVE otherwise, which (it) has not been able to do." Like any good hypocrite she will no doubt use science if it supports her beliefs and dismiss whatever she disagrees with.

Newsday.com: Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science

Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science

By NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press Writer

November 4, 2005, 10:12 AM EST

VATICAN CITY -- A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.

The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

"The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said.

By the way, we are still waiting for the results of Dumbgirl's investigation of Global Warming. I can't wait to find out what she has uncovered.

Only Christians

In her latest post Dumbgirl posits that it is only Christians who change the world for the better. She goes on to ask:

"I'd love to see a long list of non-Christians who have changed the world for the better."
-- Amy "Dumbgirl" Proctor

Someone mentioned Gandhi and she admitted that he was a non-christian who changed the world for the better. I know that she would not allow me to comment there so here is a brief list of some other non-christians who have changed the world for the better:

• Thomas Jefferson
  
• Tenzin Gyatso
  
• Margaret Sanger
  
• Shirin Ebadi
  
• Friedrich Nietzsche
  
• Pythagoras
  
• Bill Gates
  
• Steve Wozniak
  
• Benjamin Franklin
  
• Elie Wiesel
  
• Voltaire
  
• Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa
  
• Ani DiFranco
  
• Socrates
  
• Plato
  
• Ralph Waldo Emerson
  
• Eddie Vedder
  
• Aristotle
  
• Euclid
  
• Confucius
  
• Siddhartha Gautama Buddha
  
• Lao Tzu
  
• John Adams
  
• John Quincy Adams
  
• Richard Leakey
  
• David Hume
  
• Wangari Maathai
  
• Vandana Shiva
  
• Aung San Suu Kyi
  
• Bertrand Russell
  
• ...

A statement like that is just stupid. Is she that wrapped up in christianity to see beyond it? Is she unaware that there are non-western cultures? At least sixty-seven percent of the world's population is non-christian.

File under: Religion

Dumbgirl is hot

In her post entitled "Democracy & Freedom Are On the March!!" Dumbgirl regurgitated some Bush Administration propaganda about the United States making the world safe for democracy or something. One of her followers commented about the report in The Lancet that found 100,000 Iraqi civilians died because of American intervention in Iraq. I tried to correct her mistaken interpretation of the study; Dumbgirl promptly deleted my comment and banned my ip.

I tried again with another comment on the topic of Dumbgirl accepting public assistance in the past and her belief that she should not have her tax dollars used to pay for abortions.

All women should receive free pre-natal care, free births, and receive a stipend to care for the baby once it is born and free health care for children.

Amy, do (you) approve of your tax dollars going to pay for breast augmentations and liposuction for military people?
see: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?040726ta_talk_schaler
Abortion maybe abhorrent to you but breast augmentation and liposuction are abhorrent to me. Why should I pay for military women to have bigger boobs?

March 9, 2005 | Rob

Dumbgirl responded:

Rob,

I will address you once, then never again.

As for the military breast augmentations, keep in mind that they are not all for vanity reasons. Medical care in the military has in the past covered masectamies (sic) for removal of the breast due to cancer and tumors, but not an implant to recover the form. If you think that these "boob jobs" are sickening, that's on you, but for the military to cosmetically replace the breast taken through surgery is very humane. As for doing it for vanity purposes, I am opposed to this. It is unnecessary and frivolous. However, being the anti-conservative that you are I'd think you'd 1) like seeing "bigger boobs" and 2) believed in bigger (pardon the pun) government.

So because I am liberal, or as she says "anti-conservative", that means that I like seeing "bigger boobs"? Actually I think big plastic breasts are as disgusting as abortions, but I am not going to try to pass laws or amend the Constitution to stop women from doing either.

And I'm for "bigger government"? Bigger than Dubya's government and his record budget deficit? I'm for a big government in the right places. If by big government she means keeping people out of poverty or making sure that people get health care and stuff like that, then okay, I'm for big government. If she means filling up the prisons with non-violent drug offenders and building a missile defense system, then no.

She goes on:

Finally, I can only assume you bypass my IP bans because you need to hear what I have to say. I am being sincere when I suggest you have a longing inside for the message of Jesus, since you beat down my internet door to come in and hear it. True, you attempt to discredit it, but I believe this is your attempt to quite your conscience and justify your own views to yourself. This is typically what people in need of saving do: if they know they need saving, they accept. If they don't want to change their lifestyle or their minds, they make it their life's work to make the truth wrong (which cannot be done) This really has little to do with me (unless you just think I'm hot) and everything to do with you.

Oh yeah, I think she's hot. Uh huh. Middle-aged, Catholic mothers of four are my thing.

I am not "longing for the message of Jesus" either. I know what it is and I agree with it. She is the one who discredits the message of Jesus more than I do. Would Jesus volunteer to work for George Bush and jump out of a plane to shoot at Muslims to secure a supply of oil? Or would Jesus be one of the millions of people protesting Bush's decision to invade and occupy Iraq?

"People in need of saving"? Saved from what? I need to be saved from over-zealous christians who think that they know what is best for their neighbors and the rest of the world.

Actually I'm on my own little anti-witnessing campaign. Every week I have christian pamphlets left in my door. On my radio, where I once picked up local community radio stations, I get a satellite feed from Tennessee or somewhere with christian preachers. In the public or university library when I check out a book there is a pretty good chance that there is a Chick tract in it. I guess it is okay for christians to come univited into everyone else's lives.

I am just trying to do my part to provide an alternative to "all Bush, all Jesus, all the time". If I comment and she deletes it then at least I know that she read it.

I am sick of the holier-than-thou attitudes of these people.

I am also sick of Rick Santorum's weaselly face. He will lose in 2006.

And now the baby is crying so I may have to come back and edit later.

File under: Religion,Hypocrites

Idlers, gossips, & busybodies

Is it Christian to make fun of someone for the way they look?

The gang of happy housewives on another blog is discussing an email allegedly received by one of them. The email apparently came from one 'k.d. van der bosch' who claimed to be a Bush supporter but it is fairly obvious that she is not.

I have my own theory about the email, but let's explore the response by the Christian women. First is by the resident Catholic fundamentalist:

It's odd that this anon poster would choose the initials "K.D." rather like, K.D. Lang? I have come to believe that certain female pursuers of Donna's (& mine) are perhaps lesbian or are at least exploring their lesbian tendancies. This would explain the inordinate amount of time they spend pursuing other women and reviling their Christianity, which is opposed to homosexual "activities", shall we say. Perhaps desire for Donna and frustration at the futility of that pursuit is driving them nuts?

Just a theory.

Posted by: Amy *******

Just as one would expect she is focused on the person's sexuality. A lifetime of sexual repression leads her to speculate that they have a lesbian stalker/sexual predator that they are dealing with. She immediately associates the 'k.d.' part with a celebrity who happens to be a lesbian. It's funny that she did not connect the 'van der Bosch' to the Jesuit hagiographer.

Then they go on to discuss a certain person's appearance. They emailed each other a picture of the alleged lesbian stalker of the middle aged-mother of three and even more middle-aged mother of four. The mother of three suggested that if a person is ugly on the inside she is probably ugly on the outside.

Then another of the mothers chimed in with this:

How ugly is that photo? Good grief, I mean at least fix yourself up a bit before plastering it all over the net. Some people have no self respect. Someone needs to introduce the subject of that photo to Max....Max Factor! Use a bit of makeup.

Posted by: Alice

These women are supposedly Christian mothers in their mid-30s but they behave like middle school girls with a secret. Do THEY have a secret crush on someone? Or maybe they are jealous of the popular girl. Whatever the case, I don't think that behavior is very Christlike.

Someone passed along photo ** edit** (due to a harassment complaint to flickr by D***a I have had to make the photo 'friends only', if you really want to see it...) that one of these women posted of herself. I guess she was too embarrassed to show her face on this one, but we've seen her face many times.

Goons

In the past few days we have seen how much of a uniter George "Dubya" Bush has been. The supporters of the Bush Administration's with-us-or-against-us policies and rhetoric have shown their true colors here and other places. They made false allegations of harassment, they have themselves harassed others who disagree, and they've even go so far as to say that they wanted to visit me and do me physical harm.

These paratrooper goons think that I am behind some plot bombard dumbgirl's blog with nonsense posts filled with foul language. Why? Because that paranoid attention whore that we all know told them so. So I got a ton of hits from their forum and the another forum of one the members. The results of those hits is in the comments of my posts below. But on their forum they posted stuff like this:

rlbgfish173
'Nam Vet
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject:
Kids, being I am from the old school paying someone a visit ment going there not sending e-mail to this fag, so where does he live?

Jumper208
Creator of this Mess!
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:24 am Post subject:

donna wrote:
He lives on the east coast, PA, I believe.

It appears he's in Harrisburg. Hell sticky, that's only a few miles from us!

gixxer
US Paratrooper
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:31 am Post subject:
This dude is a chump!!! A serious grade "A" O2 thief....Reminds me of some of the jackass kids I attend college with, too much time on
their hands and no value of service to one's country.


Jumper208
Creator of this Mess!
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:
I still have his email, and yahoo messenger, so I can still play with him!

These guys remind me of middle school bullies who pick on the kids in the lower grades.

Actually being falsely accused of something and then being harassed by these guys brought back a forgotten memory that has been tucked away in my brain for many years. I went to an elementary school that consolidated the neighborhood schools in town but the schools in the outlying townships stayed open and the kids from those schools joined us in 6th grade. This school also had no walls between classrooms and we sat at round tables instead of those little individual desks. Well, at the start of 6th grade I sat at a table with three other people and two of them were friends from another school. From day one those two, a boy and a girl, did things to get me in trouble. The teacher would come over and yell at me because they threw something or made a loud noise. They also threatened to beat me up after school.

Up until that point I loved school. But that year I did not even want to go. My grades even suffered that year. I had always gotten all As but that year I got lower grades in a class or two. I was so shy that I could not even approach the teacher to tell him what was happening.

I hadn't thought about that period of my life for many years. I guess I would not be the person I am today if I had not gone through that.

"Everything Is For The Best In This, The Best Of All Possible Worlds."
-- Dr. Pangloss in Candide by Voltaire

So, back to the goons. They don't know me. I doubt that they read any of the posts on this site. Yet they come her and call me a traitor, a "goddamned fucknut", a "sorry ass peice(sic) of shit liberal", a "FUCKING PUSSY", etc. Why? Because they don't agree with my politics.

A while back a guy named Jake used to visit this blog. He was a former military guy who was 100% behind Bush. He'd come here and comment on my posts and I'd comment on his site. We disagreed yet we were civil and read what each other had to say. This was back before the war. I haven't come across many so-called conservatives since then who are willing to participate in a conversation. I usually get "you don't support the war therefore you hate the military and you hate America so go live in France."

So much for being a uniter.

Welcome Paratroopers!

Ms. Donna is now whining on yet another message board about being harassed by me. Okay, not exactly, now I am supposedly harassing DumbGirl. Nonetheless, she used the same old tactic that we've seen many times before. She has a new group of people willing to believe her stories.
see:
http://www.usparatroopers.org/nuke1/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2758

click on images to enlarge:



It's funny, she falsely accuses me of something and then recruits a bunch of people to do the very thing that she claims I did. At least Amy is above that. Amy only left one comment where she vented through an alias because she honestly thought that I was harassing her. No big deal.

Anyhow, all of you military types are welcome to comment here but please read the posts before commenting.

Thank you.